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Friday, May 19, 2017

Mailvox: a call to edit

HJ explains why he has begun to get active as an Infogalactic editor:
The other day I was interested for no particular reason in the founding of Oxford University, and looked it up on IG.  The content was the original material pulled from Wikipedia.  To my astonishment, or maybe I was naive, there was no mention of the crucial role of the Church in laying the foundations of the university system.  Here's what it said:

"Teaching at Oxford existed in some form as early as 1096, but it is unclear when a university came into being.  It grew quickly in 1167 when English students returned from the University of Paris.  The historian Gerald of Wales lectured to such scholars in 1188 and the first known foreign scholar, Emo of Friesland, arrived in 1190."

So apparently those were the highlights of the one-hundred-year period that began with a handful of monks and ended up setting the world standard for institutions of higher learning.  Fortunately, there was an entire section on the history of women's blahblah, in which I was informed that "Oxford and Cambridge were widely perceived to be bastions of male privilege."  Until they were converged, of course.

Needless to say, this cannot stand, so I jumped in and made some edits.  Much more can and will be done.  If anyone out there is wondering what the point of Infogalactic is and why it's important to get involved, hopefully this example will demonstrate why Wikipedia needs to be disrupted.  It's biased, and SJWs have smeared their feces all over the place as a form of territorial display.  And yet to many people Wikipedia is an impressive and reliable source.  We will do better.

Someday it may be possible to view IG content from the perspective of a Christ-hating SJW sperg.  When that day comes, I suggest we call that perspective "Wikipedia."
People often ask me why this Infogalactic page doesn't have X or why that Infogalactic page has Y. To everyone, my answer is the same: because you haven't fixed it.

I am not the reality police. The Techstars are not occupying themselves with trying to fix all of the egregious errors and propaganda that litters Wikipedia, and which Infogalactic has inherited by virtue of its nature as a dynamic fork. What we're doing, rather, is giving the truth-oriented community the ability to fix these things themselves, for their own benefit, on their own time. With 7 million pages to date, that's all the dev team can reasonably expect to do.

So get involved. Do one edit per day. Join the Burn Unit. Start using IG News and IG Tech for your headlines. Get a group of five editors together and launch your own IG Francais or IG Finance or IG FPS. All of these things are possible, but all of them require action, not mere intentions. And, in doing so, help Infogalactic continue to grow into the replacement for Wikipedia that it is designed to be.


Global Rank: 55,991
US Rank: 15,340 

We have a long, long way to go, obviously, seeing as Wikipedia is currently 5 and 6. But we are considerably closer than we were six months ago.

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45 Comments:

Blogger Groot May 19, 2017 5:04 AM  

I am Groot. Yes, you're boring.

Blogger Ron May 19, 2017 5:46 AM  

The quote about Oxford sounds very beautiful. I'm going to read it. One of the things I hate about this nihilistic age is that the spoiled brats of this age have sucked all the wonder and beauty out of everything.

I'm not Christian, and of course we all have our issues with one another, which is all I'll say on that, but that doesn't mean I do not appreciate the good things your people have done. I was taught that the reason God hates the ungrateful is because God created us to be happy. And an ingrate cannot be happy, because only the grateful can look at good and see the wonder.

I'm glad to hear about these things, to hear and then visualize those monks with their robes and notes scurrying to and fro, talking about ideas and observations and taking pleasure in every little detail. I imagine masons laying bricks, and they pause for a moment when their chief looks about and says "boys, think about every brick you put down, because this building will do more for our people than a hundred castles".

I imagine the bricks and stones of Oxford as a fireplace, to hold the fire of knowledge that burns in the hearts and minds as men. Contained so it does not blaze out of control, but also released so as to give warmth to their entire country and then to the rest of civilization.

What a beautiful wonderful thing your people did.

Anonymous Opus May 19, 2017 5:57 AM  

To regard and assert that Ox/bridge was a bastion of male privilege is to betray an ignorance of history and its reasons that is beyond disgraceful. As a male who did not attend Ox/bridge nor for that matter any University I resent the implication that I was in some unexplained sense privileged (when in fact I was shafted).

Blogger Scuzzaman May 19, 2017 5:58 AM  

OT: chinese Sukhoi Su-30 pilot allegedly does a Maverick over a US spy-plane in South China Sea.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-39971267

Probably exaggerated, but if true it's a wonderful piece of irony by the pilot.

Blogger JACIII May 19, 2017 6:16 AM  

Those are some impressive growth stats. Of all the altright sites - infogalactic may rule them all.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 19, 2017 6:19 AM  

It remains to be seen what will become of Infogalactic, but Wikipedia has already written its own epitaph.

Blogger VD May 19, 2017 6:47 AM  

Those are some impressive growth stats. Of all the altright sites - infogalactic may rule them all.

Gab is more exciting at the moment. It's got a faster return-on-involvement equation. But I think both sites complement each other very well. We certainly need both, and more.

Blogger Alexander Thompson May 19, 2017 6:55 AM  

I was searching for a website the other day and the first result was Wikipedia telling me it was a white supremacist site.

What's the link to the addon to replace Wiki with Infogalatic?

Anonymous Nick May 19, 2017 7:07 AM  

Recently joined the Burn Unit and got the welcome email, glad to be onboard! Time to get going with some editing.

Anonymous Steveo May 19, 2017 7:20 AM  

Broken link above - to the Burn Unit. Rock on Infogalactic!

Anonymous Opus May 19, 2017 7:24 AM  

It is perhaps worth reflecting that although a majority of youngsters now attend University and of those females are in the majority even as recently as when I left school in England the minimum school leaving age which was the age at which most children left school (and such had been my father's intention for me) was fifteen. At that time in addition to Oxford and Cambridge there were about a dozen 'red-brick' Universities that is to say institutions founded in the Nineteenth Century and that all these Universities were of much smaller extent than now. It was also the case (as a copy of my school's then prospective explains) that the the school trained boys for University, the Professions, and the Services; that is to say those three endeavours were seen then to be on an equal footing. Damned hard work was required; there was no affirmative action on the basis of genitalia or skin-pigment nor dumbing down to ensure success. So much for privilege. What we were actually being trained for was a spell in Stalag Luft 17 but mercifully that never happened!

Anonymous Slen May 19, 2017 7:54 AM  

OT:
Anyone else notice that Twatter is down?

Anonymous Slen May 19, 2017 7:57 AM  

TW back up again... Too bad!

Anonymous Hoppes #9 May 19, 2017 8:10 AM  

Is there a way we can capture the most egregious Wikipedia entries in a central location for reference when we are pointing out to normies how biased Wikipedia is?

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 19, 2017 8:15 AM  

aaand ... it's down again.

Anonymous Opus May 19, 2017 8:19 AM  

May I make one further point: wonderful though education may be, the principle purpose of the State paying for (as used to happen) and thus subsidising higher education is to prepare people for a lifetimes work. Before recent decades it thus made little sense (although some did) for women to attend University. It was also a point of pride or status amongst women that they did NOT work - women who worked were at best of lower middle class status.

My Mother (and I heard this so many times) and who did eventually - at the age of twenty seven go to work - was told by her own mother that 'no woman in this family has ever gone out to work and you are are not going to be the first'. Although my grandmother did not spend so much as one day of her life in gainful employment she nevertheless having left school at the age of eighteen (in 1903) was far better educated than my Father or relatives or ancestors on my Father's side of my family. Again: so much for male privilege.

Blogger stareatgoatsies May 19, 2017 8:20 AM  

I've edited one page. I don't understand what a dynamic fork means though. Would it be correct to say all future Wikipedia additions will not be added to infogalactic? I would imagine it'd be technically infeasible to do otherwise? But it does seem a potential weak point going forward? Like the Syria conflict page might not be perfect but it's comparatively comprehensive. Wit about future conflicts while I fogalactuc is still larval?

Blogger VD May 19, 2017 8:37 AM  

Would it be correct to say all future Wikipedia additions will not be added to infogalactic? I would imagine it'd be technically infeasible to do otherwise?

No. You're wrong. It's already operative.

Anonymous Avalanche May 19, 2017 8:56 AM  

@16 "It was also a point of pride or status amongst women that they did NOT work - women who worked were at best of lower middle class status."

And OH! How twisted we are today. When I married (some 20 yrs ago), I had owned my own house (he had not) and business (he had), worked for companies big and small (he had not), and was recovering from feminism ({G} he never had that!). He (and I) preferred I not work "at first," which became our permanent choice so I could hang out with him all day every day at his company.

The adjustment to being a "kept wife" was actually quite hellish -- for us both; alas, my dear husband took a lot of hell during what he called: "taming his feral female." Not because I was resisting, but because I had never seen, and did not know how to "be" (not "do": men act, women be!), the feminine complement to a masculine man!

And yet -- O!M!G! was it ever worth it! I used to describe to the ladies on my advice list an example of my progression: Coming from a family with essentially the absent-minded professor of a dad; when my husband and I would travel, as we prepared to leave the house, I'd ask ("remind him" {wince}) "do you have the airline tickets?" This would infuriate him (because he ALWAYS did!) (And I was NOT his mother!)

A couple years in, I would still FEEL moved to ask, but had learned discre ... er... to keep my mouth shut about it! A few years further -- and I had learned that *I* did not EVER need to think about that -- and, amazingly, I never did -- because even if he DID forget the tix, HE WOULD HANDLE IT! (And {ruefully pointing at myself:} *without my help*.) His job, his responsibility, HE was the man.

(Solipsism by way of offering hope to you younger men: (some) women ARE recoverable!! It's hard, but if you pick well, it might be worth the struggle!)

Anonymous Deplorable Winning May 19, 2017 9:05 AM  

stareatgoatsies wrote:I don't understand what a dynamic fork means though.

What this means is that Infogalactic will always be entirely up-to-date with Wikipedia across all five million+ pages, including the newest ones, except for those where the Infogalactic editors have improved upon specific pages.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/05/infogalactic-forkbot-is-go.html

Forkbot (I'm guessing) scans all the pages of Wiki, probably focusing on the listings on Wikipedia's Recent Changes. It then checks that list against the same IG articles, which were already forked, i.e. copied over, at the beginning of the project last year. If the Infogalactic page has been edited on Infogalactic, then Forkbot leaves it alone. That might be done with a continuously-updated look-up table constructed from Infogalactic's Recent Changes.

So the page you edited has become enshrined as an Infogalactic page, not to be touched or overwritten by Forkbot. In essence, your edit, no matter how tiny, has removed that page from all further influence by Wiki editors.

"Dynamic" means Forkbot is doing this continuously and on an ongoing basis, from now until the extermination of Wikipedia.

Blogger marco moltisanti May 19, 2017 9:08 AM  

Are there any plans to add languages other than English to Infogalactic?

Anonymous MendoScot May 19, 2017 9:17 AM  

Guilty.

I have been inexcusably lax in editing, mostly because of the format learning curve.

Blogger VD May 19, 2017 9:30 AM  

Are there any plans to add languages other than English to Infogalactic?

Eventually, yes, if there is support for it.

Anonymous Viiidad May 19, 2017 9:35 AM  

MendoScot wrote:Guilty.

I have been inexcusably lax in editing, mostly because of the format learning curve.


Same here. I found it a pain in the neck to do attributions, so I gave up for a bit. Not IG's fault.

Blogger Johnny May 19, 2017 9:36 AM  

@19 Avalanche
@16 "It was also a point of pride or status amongst women that they did NOT work - women who worked were at best of lower middle class status."

My take on things is let the couple work it out. That will usually but not always produce male dominance. True equal authority relationships are rare even without the sexual difference.

What is often overlooked is that prior to the twentieth century the household was devoid of the modern 'conveniences', and it was an importance area of production. The old saw, "men's work from sun to sun, but women's work is never done," reflected the undrlying reality of just how much work there was in the household. So great was the burden that there was often live in help of some sort and if anything it was more likely that the man would end up doing some of the "women's work," than it was likely that the women would extend her efforts outside the household. Women who were obliged by circumstance to fulfill the male role were often severely overworked. The unmarried folk, male or female, often ended up in an extended family household or in a boarding house.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2017 9:54 AM  

Remember folks... if you're already contributing... thanks. This isn't really a call for you to do more. We don't need the people who are already doing stuff to do more stuff.

What we really need is some of the folks who aren't doing anything... to find some way to help. Large or small.

Anonymous BoHoover May 19, 2017 10:02 AM  

Similar story here. I have been using the status of "retired" (for 15years). I resolve this morning to change my status to "wife and mother". Also, I have been looking for another worthy project, and I believe I will be editing for Infogalactic.

Blogger Happy LP9 May 19, 2017 10:58 AM  

I understand Drudge has done alot of good trailblazer genxer but I opt for Infogalactic as it serves better more important news sometimes the same headlines regarding hard news not soft news. (example r/k selection at work with what pple choose to read)

Also its a loyalty factor, why bother with Drudge too often when at times its soft news with just a new front page urgent items when the InfoG staff is more cutting edge, alt tech.

Online news or MSM or the Oppositional Defiant Disordered media isn't trusted or respected its akin to congress's approval rating.

OT: Bill O is talking with Beck since he is lonely and Roger died, was waiting for news and traffic, worst radio ever. I first turned on and off Foxnews in 2008, same format different design all left wing lies like CNN and sure there are some stars like Judge Nap and Tucker but the new stars are Cerno, Andrew Torba and others doing better work.

Blogger Nate May 19, 2017 11:16 AM  

"I understand Drudge has done alot of good trailblazer genxer but I opt for Infogalactic as it serves better more important news sometimes the same headlines regarding hard news not soft news. (example r/k selection at work with what pple choose to read)"

awesome.

Blogger VD May 19, 2017 11:18 AM  

I believe I will be editing for Infogalactic.

Sounds good to us....

What we really need is some of the folks who aren't doing anything... to find some way to help. Large or small.

Exactly.

Blogger lowercaseb May 19, 2017 11:22 AM  

Alexander Thompson wrote:What's the link to the addon to replace Wiki with Infogalatic?

InfoSextant: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/infosextant/plieanmckkckfcdfaobonmmmbeniaige

Anonymous David-093 May 19, 2017 11:22 AM  

This is a fairly broad question, but what are some articles (or topics) most in need of correction/improvement?

Blogger Nate May 19, 2017 11:26 AM  

"This is a fairly broad question, but what are some articles (or topics) most in need of correction/improvement? "

you're asking the wrong question.

What are you interested in? What do you like? go look at those pages and see if they need changing. Then change them.

Blogger Alexander Thompson May 19, 2017 11:48 AM  

Is there an Addon for Firefox? Yes I know I shouldn't still be using it, but I do.

Blogger Cail Corishev May 19, 2017 11:52 AM  

By the way, to those thinking of creating new articles: don't feel like you have to know everything about a topic and get it all into the article, before starting one. As the Editing Guidelines say, it's okay to make a "stub" article that just has the basics on a topic, and let others fill in more.

I used to do some editing at TV Tropes, and I created new pages for a few shows that were just a summary, an image, and maybe a half-dozen tropes. A few months later I'd come back and find a fully fleshed-out page with a much more detailed summary and dozens of tropes. Wiki Magic works.

Also by the way, I love going to IG and seeing lines like this: "...to allow the user to prioritize his personalized perspective." Ah, singular pronouns and adjectives used correctly, how I've missed you.

Blogger Anthony May 19, 2017 11:58 AM  

Of you speak a language other than English, articles about places and people outside the anglosphere are usually much better in the appropriate language wiki and the English page can be drastically improved by translating the foreign-language article. Though a lot of those sucks are really quite biased, too - Spanish Wikipedia is apparently run by a cabal of commies.

Also, lots of articles about obscure people and places are battlegrounds between competing nationalists; cleaning up that will make IG better than Wikipedia in a hurry.

OpenID frankluke May 19, 2017 1:17 PM  

Is there a style guide to IG? I was reading a page today and noticed a couple of consistent grammar and punctuation issues that were against the style guide where I used to be an editor, but might be okay in others. Before I "correct" the issues, I'd like to make sure it is an issue.

OpenID frankluke May 19, 2017 1:20 PM  

Note to above: I have read the editor's guidelines. That isn't the same thing. I'm asking about a page defining things like use of the Oxford comma and placing commas and periods inside the quotation marks while exclamation points and question marks are outside (unless they are part of the quotation).

Anonymous Mr. Rational May 19, 2017 1:48 PM  

Ron wrote:I was taught that the reason God hates the ungrateful is because God created us to be happy. And an ingrate cannot be happy, because only the grateful can look at good and see the wonder.
The universe is amoral, but I see the wonder in it whether it is good or bad for me.  A gamma-ray burster nearby would likely wipe out life on earth, but it would probably be an awe-inspiring thing to see.  I see wonder in the mathematics of things.  This is hard to share with others, because so many people don't have the background knowledge.  But ignorance is curable; if someone has no interest or has been indoctrinated that such knowledge is "a danger to their soul", they're never going to get there, never going to have that "aha—oh, COOL!" experience.

I have sometimes wondered about the amazing things people have seen that they could not survive to tell about.  If I had to go and had my pick of ways, I'd hope one of those would be on the list.

Blogger VD May 19, 2017 2:14 PM  

Is there a style guide to IG? I was reading a page today and noticed a couple of consistent grammar and punctuation issues that were against the style guide where I used to be an editor, but might be okay in others.

No, but if you want to write it, touch base with Crew. crew at infogalactic dot com.

Blogger David The Good May 19, 2017 3:36 PM  

Nate wrote:"This is a fairly broad question, but what are some articles (or topics) most in need of correction/improvement? "

you're asking the wrong question.

What are you interested in? What do you like? go look at those pages and see if they need changing. Then change them.


Yes. I've fixed some of the plant pages. If I get better at the formatting side of things, I'll do more.

Blogger Happy LP9 May 19, 2017 4:13 PM  

29 Sorry about going on compare contrast mode but for a while now pple have noted Drudge adding Cerno but wont add InfoG or Vox to the list of writers and smarter people at least Cerno is listed.

InfoG rivals Drudge with continued linking, t shirts and name dropping, not that its a race, its alt tech moving in a new direction.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 19, 2017 4:28 PM  

Happy LP9 wrote:Drudge adding Cerno but wont add InfoG or Vox to the list of writers and smarter people at least Cerno is listed.
Drudge links news sources, not aggregators like InfoGalactic, nor bloggers like Vox.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit May 20, 2017 1:17 AM  

Fair dinkum.

Blogger Stephen St. Onge May 23, 2017 4:07 AM  

14. hoppe's #9

        If you wish to document stupidity on Wikipedia, look at the page history.  Previous versions are still there.

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